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Sebastian
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« on: June 23, 2011, 01:18:23 pm »

Hello everybody,

Askozia 2.1 is finally available for download. Please see the almost up-to-date feature list at http://www.askozia.com/feature-list/. Some last minute features didn't make it there yet. Those are MWI for SNOM phones, HTTPS for the web interface and finally, the long missing logout button. 

With the 2.1 release, we also support a new hardware platform - the RockBochs BlackBochs. If you haven't heard of it yet, visit http://www.rockbochs.com/products/blackbochs-sbc

Also new is our cooperation with the guys from Humbug which offer awesome Telecom analytics and fraud detection. You find it under advanced options in the web interface. See http://humbuglabs.org/ for more information.

But where there is light, there are also shadows. Our cooperation with Auerswald has come to an end. Thus, there is no 2.1 firmware for the Compact VoiP 3000 available.

2.1 Diet Askozia will follow shortly. We simply haven't had the time to finish the testing of this version. Additionally, we wanted to avoid any further delays of 2.1. Thanks for your patience.

Of course, there is also an updated version of the handbook. Everybody who bought a 2.0.4 handbook will receive an updated handbook together with a discount coupon for an Askozia 2.1 image. We'll send out the updated handbooks once everybody here could catch some sleep. Wink

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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2011, 02:18:20 pm »

Sebastian, when will be available  the IVR?

Can I buy the askozia 2.1. and then the IVR?

Thank you, Gil  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2011, 07:57:57 am »

Hi Gil,

the IVR will come in July. I am a little more careful with exact dates now. Wink
Of course, you can first buy the normal 2.1 and update to the IVR version later. No problem at all.

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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2011, 09:55:19 am »

So when might I be able to test 2.1 before purchasing it? Days, Weeks, Months?
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2011, 01:01:13 pm »

Sebastian, I have three plants with Askozia, need to buy three licenses or just one in three power and use?
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2011, 01:54:22 pm »

So far, all the 2.1 versions are single licenses.
Since you probably don't use all of these at home, you might want to register as a reseller. Please use our reseller form at http://www.askozia.com/reseller-inquiry/ and we'll get back to you.  Smiley   
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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2011, 06:45:23 pm »

if possible to release differences list with 2.04 and 2.1 ?  -  technical detailed feature list.
interesting curl function implementation, + dialing rules or replacing to 00, g729 codec?
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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2011, 11:02:44 am »

Not a bad idea! I'll make a list.  Smiley
Please give me some time.
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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2011, 05:29:24 pm »

Not a bad idea! I'll make a list.  Smiley
Please give me some time.

i referring to this place
http://www.askozia.com/pbx-changelog/
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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2011, 01:52:18 pm »

Damit ist Askozia für mich gerade gestorben!

Leute, das ist doch keine Art und Weise! Ich habe zwei Auerswald 3000 VoIP gekauft in dem Wissen, dass ich darauf Askozia laufen lassen kann (und wahrscheinlich nicht nur ich). Und dann fällt bis zur Veröffentlichung kein Wort darüber, dass ab der 2.1, welche meines Erachtens immer noch schlechter als die 1er-Reihe ist, die Auerswald nicht mehr unterstützt wird...
Und dann, plötzlich, April April, ist alles ganz anders und man muss 'ne Lizenz erwerben und Askozia ist nicht länger Open Source, einfach mal so.

Das ist keine Art und Weise, wie man ein Produkt am Markt startet, zumal sich wahrscheinlich nicht wenige wie ich richtiggehend veräppelt vorkommen werden, weil sie hier ordentlich und für Euch kostenlos Feedback gegeben haben. Auch eine Art und Weise QM zu betreiben - ich find's 'ne Sauerei, und keine kleine.

Tschüss Askozia
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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2011, 07:28:17 am »

Hi,

I agree 100% with Stephan. Somehow it feels like you are trying to hide in what direction the project is going. The first sentence in this thread is "Askozia 2.1 is finally available for download." Why don't you write there that the new version costs 49EUR? I found it out when I tried to find my way to the download page! That is a trustworthy way to do things. You should have made it clear beforehand that the new version won't be free anymore. The only place I found where you mentioned this radical change was in a forum post from June 10.

Would you please elaborate how open the 2.1 branch will be? I used to build my 2.0 images from source and made minor modifications to the php interface for some functions I wanted to use in a different way? Will I still be able to do this? If so what's going to stop me from removing the artificial 2 call limit?

Why do you proclaim that the Diet version is not fully tested yet and thus could not be released when obviously the full version for which you charge money contains many bugs?

Ok, I haven't contributed anything and thus have only benefitted from your hard work so far but I think that since you are developing the software with an emphasis on open source and community, you should at least make it obvious on your website what your future plans are.
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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2011, 02:59:12 pm »

Hello,

It's pretty obvious what the direction is at Askozia from the website, they want to benefit from their hard work, can you blame them? We are talking about $69, right? I'm guessing nobody at Askozia is getting rich off this effort. Frankly, Askozia is under no obligation to tell anybody what their plans are, it's just business, there is no need to take it personally. If 2.1 is bug ridden (you know this how?) why would you want to use it? It's kind of ironic to see someone so concerned with "trustworthy" behavior ask about circumventing call limits imposed by the developers within the same post.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2011, 06:18:41 pm »

Hi,

sorry if my post was a little too offensive.

Frankly, it wasn't obvious to me that Askozia is taking the direction it is. A lot of OSS projects offer their core product for free, are community based and make their money from offering support and other services. It seemed to me like you were doing the same thing. (Handbook, Support)

As for the bugs. I drew my conclusion from recent forum posts here.

I asked about the "circumvention" of the call limit because that leads me to the conclusion that you are going to implement some kind of encryption to prevent me from doing this. This would also mean that I can no longer modify Askozia 2.1 as I did before.

Unless you intend to encrypt the image, the artificial call limitation, IMHO is of no use as it is nothing more than a configuration parameter. Most people with a basic command of Linux would be able to "crack" it. I just wanted clarification about this!

I don't use Askozia in a commercial setting. I am just a Linux geek Smiley All I do is use it in a four-person household for some cheap VOIP phones and I spent a few afternoons tinkering with your interface and the Asterisk configuration files it generates because I am interested in Asterisk and VOIP in general.

Again, as I said before I appreciate the Askozia team's work and I have nothing but benefitted from it so far (without contributing anything). But the way they handle things right now seem strange to me:
- Askozia is build on FOSS
- The website seems to emphasize community (forums, trac, both boldly linked to)
- They call the (hopefully) still open version "Diet"
- The diet version seems to be crippled by an artificial configuration setting.
- The web site's entry page seemingly offers V2.1 for download.
- Only when I click "download now" I get to read that I need to pay $$$ to actually get it.

They of course you have every right to do with their work whatever they please (within applying OSS licenses, which they surely do). I'm just a little disappointed since I've been following Askozia via your source control site for quite some time now, eagerly awaiting the new functionality and being able to tinker with it a few days per year. Smiley

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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2011, 09:41:09 pm »

Hi Toby,

We appreciate you apologies. Smiley

I am always ready to answer questions and help out where ever needed. Feedback is also highly welcome but only on a friendly basis.

To answer your questions:
- There are bugs in 2.1. No doubt. We are already working on fixing those. 2.1.1 will come out soon. This is our main focus at the moment.

- We indicate that 2.1 is not for free. When you are in the software section of askozia.com you see "2.1 is Now Available For €49!".

- You can still download the source code from the open source trunk. Most of the the new features are in there. Some are not. The reasoning is easy. The project can't survive on handbooks and support.

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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2011, 05:17:28 am »

Hi Sebastian!

Nicht falsch verstehen: ich honoriere durchaus gute Arbeit. Ich bin selbst Programmierer und bezahle auch für Software, die ich kaufe, weil ich weiß, was dahinter steckt. Ich hätte auch keine Probleme, die Lizenz für Askozia zu erwerben, ganz sicher nicht.
Worüber ich mich geärgert habe und mich immer noch ärgere ist die Art und Weise, wie Askozia recht plötzlich die Politik ändert. Und das tue ich, weil mich dieser Politikwechsel auch Geld kostet.
Und worüber ich mich wundere ist die unprofessionelle Kommunikation und ebensolches Verhalten gegenüber den ehemaligen Community-Mitgliedern, jetzt potentiellen Kunden. Im italienischen Forum habe ich ähnliche Beiträge gefunden.
Ich verfolge das Projekt passiv jetzt schon über ein Jahr und war bisher immer vom Ansatz begeistert. Der Erwartungsdruck aus der Community ist selbstverständlich hoch und um das Projekt am Leben zu erhalten muss man, wie Du schreibst, finanzielle Quellen haben. Dass das in Eurem Fall mit Handbuch und professionellem Support nicht reicht - kann ich irgendwo verstehen, wenngleich ich dann nicht verstehen kann, wie mit genau diesem Verfahren andere Firmen es nun schon mehrere Jahre schaffen.
Was alle überrascht haben dürfte ist aber die Tatsache, dass es bis zur Veröffentlichung von 2.1 absolut keinen Hinweis darauf gab, dass plötzlich eine Lizenz fällig wird. Was mich persönlich dazu noch überrascht hat, ist, dass die Unterstützung für Auerswald plötzlich eingestellt wird. Klar, dass ihr damit lediglich Euer eigenes Produkt stärken wollt, wer würde das nicht machen? Allerdings ist es in hohem Maße unprofessionell, dies nicht vorher länger anzukündigen. Die meisten, die Askozia auf ihrer Auerswald einsetzen (bei mir ist das gleich zweimal), dürftet Ihr damit verprellt haben.
Ich stecke somit in einem Dilemma: nutze ich weiterhin Askozia, muss ich mir andere Hardware suchen UND eine Lizenz für Askozia wird fällig. Nutze ich weiterhin meine Auerswald bin ich im Funktionsumfang eingeschränkt und kann keine offene Software dafür nutzen. Alleine die Tatsache, dass ich von jetzt auf nachher vor diesem Problem stand hat mich letztendlich dazu bewogen, meinen Post oben zu schreiben und jetzt wiederum etwas zu schreiben. Das ist es, was mich ärgert.
Leider schafft Ihr es offenbar nicht, an dieser Stelle auch noch Schadensbegrenzung zu betreiben, denn nach wie vor sind Eure Antworten hier im Forum vage und nicht speziell; wie's genau jetzt weitergeht (z. B: mit der Diet-Version) vermag wohl so richtig keiner zu sagen.
Noch einmal zusammengefasst: ich habe keine Probleme mit einer Lizenz. Ich habe absolut keine Probleme damit, für gute Software Geld zu bezahlen. Aber Euer Verhalten und Eure Kommunikation sind unprofessionell, und die 2.1 leider noch ein Stück davon entfernt, gut zu sein. Und hiermit meine ich den Gesamteindruck der Software, der Seitens des Endkunden entsteht.
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